{"id":3442,"date":"2026-03-25T18:24:22","date_gmt":"2026-03-25T18:24:22","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/geopoliticsamongstates.gr\/?p=3442"},"modified":"2026-03-25T18:24:22","modified_gmt":"2026-03-25T18:24:22","slug":"thinking-about-the-long-haul-were-not-in-world-war-iii-yet-realist-john-mearsheimer-explains%c2%b9-endgame%c2%b2-gita-wirjawan","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/geopoliticsamongstates.gr\/?p=3442","title":{"rendered":"Thinking about the Long Haul: We\u2019re Not in World War III Yet, Realist John Mearsheimer Explains\u00b9 | Endgame\u00b2, Gita Wirjawan"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>\u00b9On 5 March 2026, I did a long interview \u2014 two hours \u2014 with Gita Wirjawan, the former Indonesian Minister of Trade. It was my third long interview with Gita, and as was the case with the first two interviews, it was a pleasure going back and forth with him. We had a wide-ranging discussion about the various ongoing conflicts in the world and where we are headed in the years ahead. As one would expect, I painted a dark picture.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u00b2Recorded on March 5, 2026.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Gita Wirjawan\u00aa:&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In his third appearance at Endgame, John Mearsheimer\u00b3 talks about the latest developments in global politics on the brink of another world war. The conversation spans the Iran conflict, the Ukraine war, East Asia, and the possibility of nuclear war \u2014 soon.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>More on this episode:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0:00:00\u200b &#8211; Intro<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0:01:57\u200b &#8211; Monroe Doctrine: History &amp; Future<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0:09:14\u200b &#8211; East Asia: \u201cHigh priority item&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0:12:34\u200b &#8211; \u201cBond between Iran and China will grow\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0:13:20\u200b &#8211; Why the Ukraine War is a miscalculation<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0:15:33\u200b &#8211; Board of Peace<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0:27:41\u200b &#8211; The price you pay for a US alliance<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0:32:16\u200b &#8211; Israel\u2019s end goal for Iran<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0:39:42\u200b &#8211; US-Iran, another miscalculation?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0:46:33\u200b &#8211; How long will the US\/Israel-Iran War last<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0:54:27\u200b &#8211; Ground troops<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0:59:45\u200b &#8211; Nuclear war possibility<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:02:48\u200b &#8211; Are we in World War III already?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:06:10\u200b &#8211; Nuclear proliferation in a multipolar world<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:13:38\u200b &#8211; Will the Shia and Sunnis come together?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:19:16\u200b &#8211; Economic repercussions<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:25:27\u200b &#8211; Foreseeing US politics<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:44:27\u200b &#8211; Frozen conflict in Ukraine<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:53:27\u200b &#8211; Messages for aspiring diplomats<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>About the guest\u00b3:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u00b3John Joseph Mearsheimer is an international relations theorist (a realist) who served as the R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor in the Political Science Department at the University of Chicago, where he has taught since 1982.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped wp-block-gallery-1 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"478\" data-id=\"3444\" src=\"https:\/\/geopoliticsamongstates.gr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/1000039707-1024x478.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-3444\" srcset=\"https:\/\/geopoliticsamongstates.gr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/1000039707-1024x478.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/geopoliticsamongstates.gr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/1000039707-300x140.jpg 300w, https:\/\/geopoliticsamongstates.gr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/1000039707-768x358.jpg 768w, https:\/\/geopoliticsamongstates.gr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/1000039707-1536x716.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/geopoliticsamongstates.gr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/1000039707-2048x955.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"577\" height=\"1024\" data-id=\"3445\" src=\"https:\/\/geopoliticsamongstates.gr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/1000039705-577x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-3445\" srcset=\"https:\/\/geopoliticsamongstates.gr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/1000039705-577x1024.jpg 577w, https:\/\/geopoliticsamongstates.gr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/1000039705-169x300.jpg 169w, https:\/\/geopoliticsamongstates.gr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/1000039705.jpg 587w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 577px) 100vw, 577px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>\u00aaAbout the host:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Gita Wirjawan is an Indonesian entrepreneur and educator. 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